Preventing Glossophobia With Better Conversation

by Robbie Vorhaus on March 10, 2011

in Storytelling

Glossophobia, the fear of public speaking.

Most think the fear of public speaking only refers to speeches and presentations; yet one of the most common fears among adults is engaging in meaningful conversation with strangers.

I hear it all the time, “What do I say?”

I shouldn’t be surprised anymore, yet I could be walking the halls of Congress, on a Hollywood sound stage, standing to the side of a bustling Parisian restaurant kitchen, or just walking along Sag Harbor’s Main Street, and someone will pull me aside pleading, “I’ve got this event/party/meeting/conference/board meeting/road show/presentation coming up and they expect me to talk to all these people and sound interesting; I just don’t know what to say!”

Truth is, it’s easy talking to friends about ourselves, but engaging in a meaningful conversation with someone unfamiliar can be terrifying, and you are not alone.

There’s an art to becoming a good conversationalist, and if you practice the following rules and tips, you will never suffer from glossophobia again.

Conversation Rule #1 – Stick to the Last 24 Hours.

Immediately find a common interest based on current events, food, geography, work, or family based on something you experienced or observed over the last 24 hours.

“I see it’s raining again in the south.  How has this winter treated you?”

“My son, Connor, was telling me about Carmelo Anthony joining the New York Knicks. What sports do you follow?”

“A friend just sent me a newspaper article on the best doughnut shops in Boston.   Where is your favorite breakfast place?”

“My teenage daughter, Molly, loves Justin Bieber and says his fame is explosive.  What do you think is the secret for young people getting famous so fast?”

“My client called me from London this morning and said royal wedding souvenirs are flying off the shelves.  Why do you think people are so interested in the royals?”

Conversation Rule #2 – Ask Open Ended (OE), not Closed Ended (CE), Questions.

Open ended questions require an explanation, closed ended questions require a “yes” or “no” answer.

CE: “Did you like the play?”

OE: “What part of the play was your favorite? Who was your favorite actor?”

CE: “Do you like your job?”

OE: “What are the two best things about your job?  What did you want to be growing up?”

CE: “Did you like the sermon?”

OE: “I was really moved by today’s sermon.  Do you have a favorite sermon and how did this compare?”

Matt Murray, the deputy managing editor of The Wall Street Journal told me, “One thing that sometimes works is to ask surprising, even semi-personal questions that could be thought-provoking for the other person, you know, like after asking about what you do for a living, ask do you like it? What do you like most about it? What’s the hardest part of it?

It doesn’t always work but sometimes people respond thoughtfully and actually appreciate a personal interest, and engage beyond workplace banalities.”

Conversation Rule #3 – Learn the Basics of Storytelling

Remember these simple storytelling basics:

  • Every story is about a journey.
  • Every story has one element or character called the protagonist or hero, that’s who we, the audience identify with.
  • All stories begin when something out of the ordinary happens, the inciting incident, which is the spring board for the entire story.
  • Every story is about the main character’s actions while trying to accomplish something.
  • The character creating the most obstacles to the main character’s actions is called the antagonist.
  • Every story contains elements for the head (structure, premise, plot, etc.) and for the heart (emotion, point of view, essential human truth, etc.).  You need both.
  • Every story has a beginning, middle and an end.  The beginning of a story is about the main character’s normal life.  The middle of a story is about the main character’s journey and actions in an extraordinary world or unusual circumstance.  And the end of the story returns the main character back to their normal life, although something significant is changed.

Knowing this, when someone starts telling you their story, ask them questions related to classic storytelling, such as:

“That sounds like quite a journey, how did it all start?”

“I understand you came back to the States after five years. How were you changed?”

“What was the biggest obstacle you faced when you were launching your brand?”

“What gave you the inspiration to develop this new product?”

“How did your family react when you told them you were quitting your job to start this new company?”

Conversation Rule #4 – Stay Positive

Always be positive.

Resist the urge to complain, gossip, be negative, or critical.

It’s easy starting a conversation about war, dying, crisis, sickness, or spreading dirt about someone else, but in the end, you won’t be remembered for the content of your conversation, only that you leave people feeling negative and slimed.

And, when others go negative, be the person to pivot the conversation back to something positive.  Avoid the word “but,” which negates everything said before it (“You may be right, but….”), and replace with the word “and.” (“You may be right, and there’s another group of people who have dedicated themselves to fixing the problem; have you heard of them?)

Make every conversation better, not worse, than you found it.

Conversation Rule #5 – Listen More Than You Speak

Scott Griffith, the CEO of Zipcar, has the art of listening down to a science.  Not only does he naturally listen intently, creating the framework for a very intense and intimate conversation, but he also has the uncanny ability to repeat back both the content and context of the conversation at a later time.

Take the role of leader, and give people the opportunity to speak about themselves and what’s important to them.  Encourage the person you are talking with to tell you more, and show a sincere interest in what they are saying.

A friend of mine was a genius at this technique and in the Nineties, after a State Dinner at the White House, a foreign leader mentioned to President Clinton that he thought my friend was the best conversationalist he ever met.  Later, when Mr. Clinton asked my friend his secret, he was told, “It’s very simple, Mr. President, I just kept saying, ‘Tell me more!’”

And, if you really can’t bring yourself to get over the voices in your head long enough to listen to what the other person is saying, don’t fake it.  Excusing yourself from the conversation is infinitely better than verbal and non-verbal insincerity, which is felt immediately.

Conversation Rule #6 – Compliment Something Specific, Followed By An Open Ended Question.

Focus in on one thing that gains your attention, find something nice to say, and then ask an open ended question.

“I love that tie!  How do you choose the right tie for a specific occasion?”

“I really enjoyed the part of your speech when you talked about your mother.  In what other ways did she inspire you?”

“The second wine you poured — I believe it was a cabernet — was wonderful.  How did you come to choose such a delicious wine?”

“I’ve never been to San Francisco before, but I really enjoyed discovering Chinatown.  As a native, what’s your favorite part of the city?”

Conversation Rule #7 – Bring other people into the conversation.

Growing an ongoing conversation by adding other people on the fly requires practice, timing, and some background knowledge, yet when done well, it broadens the scope of the conversation, and also provides an exit opportunity for you without disrupting the flow.

“Mr. Ambassador, excuse me for interrupting, and allow me to introduce our chief technology officer who recently returned from your capital city and loved it.  Please continue your story about innovation.”

“This is my roommate and just like you, she loves hot sauce.  Will you please repeat your story about your trip to Mexico?”

“I’m so glad I found you two standing here, because although you don’t know each other, you both share a love of gardening.  What are you growing this year?”

Conversation Rule #8 – Learn to Leave

In stocks, everyone tells you when to buy, no one tells you when to sell.  It’s the same in conversation.  It’s relatively easy to get a conversation going, the bigger question is, how do you get it to stop?

The answer in two words: gently and decidedly.

Here are the top three tips that will help you exit any conversation with style and grace.

  1. Interrupt yourself, never another person.   When you’re talking, abruptly stop, look at your watch, and say something like, “Please forgive me, I need to go.  Please, let’s stay in touch.”
  2. Recall one detail of the conversation, wait for a natural break, and say, “Thank you so much.  You really opened my eyes, and I enjoyed hearing/learning/knowing about the buttons/movie/landscape/new hire/etc.  I must go, although I really wish we had more time.”
  3. Although I don’t use this often, it works flawlessly: Arrange in advance for someone to walk up and hand you a folded piece of paper.  Step back, read the note, nod to the person who handed you the note, and say to the person(s) you’re talking to, “Please excuse me, I must go,” and walk away.  The only time this didn’t work is when one of my clients took the note from his assistant, excused himself, and walked away, dropping the important note on a nearby table.  The person he was talking to saw the note, picked it up, and read, “You owe me one.” Ouch.

Further Thoughts

My friend, the gifted author and entrepreneur, Jonathan Fields, says, “I use all of these, though not in a tactical way. They tend to come fairly naturally to most people when you make an effort to find people in whom you’re generally interested. Also humility, I think that goes a long way. And sharing brief, relevant, engaging stories, though that can be a pretty high bar to set.”

And Hale Dwoskin, best-selling author and the executive producer and host of the transformational new film, Letting Go, says about becoming a better conversationalist, “Give love as opposed to trying to get love.  Be interested or curious rather than interesting.”

If you’re really committed to better conversation, checkout either Toastmasters International or Dale Carnegie.

Or, you could just call me and we could talk about it.

What are your favorite conversation tips?

 

 

Creative Commons License photo credit: LunaDiRimmel

  • http://twitter.com/niel_malan Niel Malan

    Yikes, with a set of rules like this one will have to meet as many people as a superstar meets to get enough practice to ever master them.

    • Anonymous

      Hi, Niel,
      You make an excellent point, although if you belong to a sports team, church group, business community, neighborhood, or even just meeting people at the beach, coffee shop or bar, you can use these skills.
      It’s true, many of my clients are famous, but many are not, and simply entrepreneurs who wish to communicate better when trying to raise money, or leaders wanting to better connect w/ their subordinates.
      Thanks for weighing in.

      • Susie

        Graces for these crucial tips in opening up genuine conversation. If I ever keep any question in the forefront of my mind, no matter the conversation, it’s “How do YOU see it?”
        This, and this aspect of genuine conversation have been catalyst to opening the human mind. It gives us insight to so many perspectives. There is much to learn and share in the world…where ideas are hatched and collaboration begins. I’m in the infant planning stages of a world-wide project and this is an incredibly powerful and fundamental practice to integrate.

        • Anonymous

          So nice to hear and thank you for your feedback.

  • Barbara

    When I read RV’s pieces, I am reminded of how much there is to be learned. (Thank you Linda L. for turning me on to him.)

  • Fred Gratto

    Since I teach college students, I see evidence almost every day that people are afraid of public speaking, often terrified by it. I guess this is understandable because most of my students are quite young and not quite comfortable speaking to adults, especially those in authority over them. But what I find especially strange is that the faculty just down the hall, aren’t much more at ease in casual conversation. Therefore, I find Robbie’s eight rules right on the mark. I especially like the first five. 1) stick to the last 24 hours…what a good idea. In addition to staying informed, this is exactly what I read the local newspaper every morning. What great ammunition this provides, enabling anybody with a little initiative the ability to start a conversation on a moment’s notice, on just about any subject. 2) Ask open-ended questions. This sure works in my classrooms and every where else on the planet. It’s a good technique to commit to memory and keep using so that it becomes standard procedure. 3) Learn the basics of story telling. In my view, the main purpose of teaching is to inform but the second purpose is to entertain. In combination, these are a dynamite duo that keep students involved and paying attention. Everybody loves a good, short, story, not just students, so this approach works anywhere, any time…a great way to start and sustain a conversation…almost like magic…making something out of nothing. 4) Stay positive. No where in the world has a statue ever been erected in honor of a pessimist. Taking the high road and staying positive with loved ones at home is always the best bet and this approach pays dividends at work also. A pat on the back, though only a few vertebrae removed from a kick in the pants, is miles ahead in results. Positive comments help because all people like to have their worth affirmed, even world leaders. For example, Queen Victoria led England from 1837 to 1901. That’s a long time so she must have been effective and able to get along with a wide variety of people. I’m sure she refined her personnel skills along the way and made a lot of valuable observations. Consider this one, for example, about Prime Minister William Gladstone: “When I am with him, I feel I am with one of the most important leaders in the world.” But, of Benjamin Disraeli she said: “He makes me feel as if I am one of the most important people in the world.” Disraeli’s approach impressed the Queen of England so it will probably impress whoever you’re chatting with tomorrow. 5) Listen more than you speak. Listening is powerful because it demonstrates a willingness to understand the unique needs and feelings of others. You probably think you’re good at listening because you do it everyday. But, you’re listening from your frame of reference. To be really good at listening, you need transcend your own autobiography, to get out of your frame of reference, out of your own value system, out of your own history and judging tendencies, and get deeply into the frame of reference or viewpoint of the other person. Not so easy to do all the time because we can think faster than people can talk. Sometimes, we’re way ahead of the person talking, thinking of our own reply. To keep a conversation going, people need to believe that you really are listening to them and that what they say matters. You know what, the best way to seem that you really are listening, is to listen. Paying attention to what others say is pretty important, “To listen well is as powerful a means of communication and influence as to talk well” – John Marshall, First Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. One more cool thing about listening, it’s how you learn. “I remind myself every morning: Nothing I say today will teach me anything. So, if I’m going to learn, I must do it by listening” – Larry King, Talk-show host. After a while, all these tips will sink in and stick with us if we keep them in mind and keep on using them. My favorite tip for being good at conversation is: maintain eye contact. -Fred Gratto

    • Anonymous

      You’re the expert on Rock and Roll; Isn’t there a lyric or two about conversation?
      “You talk too much, you worry me to death, you talk too much, you even worry my pets, you just talk too much!”
      What else, Dr. Gratto?

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      • Fgratto

        One of the things that bugs me is when people say “uhhh…” Almost everybody does it but I still find it hard to believe. Great and famous pastors say uhhh, newscasters say uhhh as soon as they look away from the teleprompter and have to actually think and comment about something, as I saw this morning while learning about the disaster in Japan. Even the dean of nuclear engineering at MIT had about fifteen uhhhs as he commented about the consequences to the nuclear reactors damaged by the earthquakes. And, for sure, ahhh is a favorite word, crutch for students. In my view, saying uhhh or umm damages credibility. I have trouble taking people seriously if these words keeps popping up in a presentation or conversation. -Fred Gratto

  • Danny Malamis

    Robbie,
    Thanks so much for taking the time to commit this great coaching to text. I enjoyed reading it very much. My favorite tips are…
    1. Keeping the conversation positive. It’s so easy to jump into a negative conversation… but so much more rewarding to focus on the positive and let the negative fade away.
    2. Listening more than talking… and listening with a sincere interest. You can temporarily feel good about yourself by talking about your accomplishments… but it feels much better to listen and learn by allowing others to talk about their journey. A great book that talks about this in detail is ‘How to win friends and influence people’ by Dale Carnegie.
    Thanks so much for sharing and for helping us focus on positive growth.
    Danny

    • Anonymous

      Thank you, Danny, for your kind words.

  • Colin Mather

    Robbie,
    I think these tips are right on. The part that rings most true for me though, is about being genuine. I don’t throw away the idea of “fake it till you make it,” but being genuine is the name of the game, even at the risk of not being a good conversationalist. I find people who are true to themselves (and others) to be far more interesting than a person who is perceived to be trying too hard at being someone they’re not. Thanks again for starting the conversation. Colin

    • Anonymous

      As Groucho Marx said, “The two most important things in business are sincerity and honesty. And if you can fake those, you’ve got it made.”
      Thanks, Colin, for weighing in.

  • John Miller

    Robbie,
    Important things to consider when communicating. I can immediately
    see how to use these ideas with my partner, my students, and when I
    conduct oral history interviews. Thank you.
    John Miller

  • http://twitter.com/EZAccessPR Nancy Conrad

    Adding to your #3 point, I’ve heard some fascinating stories from couples by simply asking, “How did you two meet?” There’s almost always a joint narrative and a few laughs to share that leaves everyone feeling a little happier in the process.

    • Anonymous

      Seems so simple, yet it’s such a good open-ended question.
      thanks, nancy.

  • http://twitter.com/NancyD68 Nancy Davis

    The best conversations happen when the other person is actually listening instead of waiting for their turn to speak. Tying a conversation back to a previous one or relating to a known common interest is always a good thing to do too.

    My difficulty comes in knowing when it is time to move on and doing so gracefully. I am working on that skill. I need to practice that a bit more to be better at it.

    Thanks for the great reminders.

    • Anonymous

      Hi, Nancy… Try this: leave a conversation before you think it’s time to leave. It’s an intuitive exercise. Energetically you know when to leave, but your brain tries second guessing your heart. Let me know how it goes!

  • http://www.paduacomms.co.uk Nicky Rudd

    Great post – my dad told me when I was little that if you are a great conversationalist, you’re actually a great listener. Our company strapline is ‘create a conversation’ so will make reference to this post when the new website is up soon. I hope that’s okay, Nicky

    • Anonymous

      You and your dad sound like smart people. Keep in touch.

  • http://mainspring.tv MainSpring Video

    Thanks for this article- a lot of great reminders. Remembering to relax and breathe is probably #1. It’s all about being genuinely interested in others. Often times I find it’s a relief to get my brain focusing on something other than myself for awhile! “Make every conversation better, not worse, than you found it.” Cheers!

    • Anonymous

      You’re right, Jaime, relax and breathe.

  • http://pointacrossmedia.blogspot.com Todd Johnson

    How many times have you been in a conversation with someone who can’t wait to talk about themselves? I think it’s hard to keep the focus on the other person. Love the idea of asking more open-ended questions. I learned that in journalism school, but I don’t practice it very well in real life. Thanks for the post.

    • Anonymous

      Hey, Todd, I bet you practice open ended questions and asking people about themselves better than you think. Where did u go to J school?

      • http://pointacrossmedia.blogspot.com Todd Johnson

        University of Missouri…spent 20 yrs on air in TV news before starting a company to produce storytelling video. My wife would argue most conversations are about me..maybe because I tell more interesting stories?

        • Anonymous

          Ah, St. Joe. I worked for NBC in Kansas City for several years.

  • http://twitter.com/MrktStar André Floyd

    Robbie, thanks for this article. I am glad that someone brought it to my attention. I can use these “techniques” because I know that I can do better that I have. I also forwarded to my son so he can get off to a good start in his adult life.

    • Anonymous

      Andre, thank you for your comment, and the reminder of why I do what I do.
      Your son is a lucky young man having you as his father. Love and light. rv

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